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Post by Margothon Lord of the Elements on Jul 6, 2016 12:29:13 GMT -5
So i finally took the plunge and dived through the portal with Khadgar and crew at 97
Did the usual setting up the garrison, find the treasures around it, then discover, find treasures and do objectives in Shadowmoon, that got me to 98.
So this was when i was going to grind out the 2 levels i had left in the Nightmarsh. With 2 days on Midsummer dailys to do and a number of qs, treasures and objectives in Gorgrond i decided that i would get to 99 then try the last level in the Nightmarsh
So im finally 99 so its time to grind XP in the Nightmarsh like a Bloodthirsty, i have a full level of blue bar. I will get back to this thread when i have (fingers crossed ) got to 100 using this method, i will post some stats, observations, thoughts, when i have finished.
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Post by Margothon Lord of the Elements on Jul 7, 2016 8:04:28 GMT -5
First of all i would like to say that the Nightmarsh was brought to my attention by Ironrevenge, a max level Iron Monk, also known as Bloodyktang, so all credit to him/her for this. So before i started my grind i did a 1 minute tester to see what i could kill then i could estimate how long this would take the results were: 6 x Frenzied Swamplight - 266 XP each = 1596 XP 1 x Echidean Hydra 798 XP each = 788 XP -(with Touch of Death) So with the test done i approximated that i could get 143640 XP an hour, taking around six hours to get the full level (full blue bar) My thoughts about the process; This is a great way to get the last few levels of the ironman challenge, fairly safe and actually not that time consuming. It is also a great way to gain levels without actually taking XP from the Warlords expansion, this will pay forward when Legion is released as there will be more content to gain XP from in Warlords before venturing into the Legion expansion. The actual mobs you are fighting in this process are: www.wowhead.com/npc=75471/frenzied-swamplighterThese come in group of 1 - 3 and are easily managable at 99, they apply a poison DoT, which is noticable damage, i would assume even more noticable if you were doing this at 95-96. As a monk i just used Detox so it was never a problem, any class without an ability to dispell the poison will just have their experience slowed down a little, would recommend you only take on one pack at a time. hydra-media.cursecdn.com/wow.gamepedia.com/b/b9/Echidnian_Hydra.jpgThese mobs are dangerous, even at level 99 (bearing in mind this mob is level 91) if i took one on without touch of death up it would always take me to about 30% - 35% health. They have a number of abilitys that deal huge damage, as a monk i never took one on without touch of death up, or garrison ability, i can imagine that any class other than hunter should not be taking these mobs on below 96, but this is only speculation. So i finally did it, killing 2144 Swamplighters and 346 Hydras. Margymonk goes from 99 - 100, taking me 6 hours, 11 minutes. My conclusions are that this is a great way to level in Warlords, especially from 97 onwards, i would'nt like to say what it is like below 96 and of course this process will be extemely different for different classes, it was very fast for Monk as Touch of Death could instantly kill the hydras.
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Post by Discordiankitty on Jul 7, 2016 9:27:52 GMT -5
Congratulations Margothon. Well earned.
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Post by Lyssan on Jul 7, 2016 13:02:20 GMT -5
Nightmarsh grinding works only for monks because of their cheap ToD ability. Any other class should stick to quests.
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Post by Margothon Lord of the Elements on Jul 7, 2016 14:37:14 GMT -5
Nightmarsh grinding works only for monks because of their cheap ToD ability. Any other class should stick to quests. My conclusions are that this is a great way to level in Warlords, especially from 97 onwards, i would'nt like to say what it is like below 96 and of course this process will be extemely different for different classes, it was very fast for Monk as Touch of Death could instantly kill the hydras. I put my thoughts on the process at the bottom, maybe you didnt get that far, as i do have a similar view to you on this myself, but i wouldnt go as far as saying only Monks could do this, yes they will have a better time and get through it quicker, but by no means is it not viable for other classes. In fact i would come here at 96 on a Hunter and grind out 4 levels happily. They are the only other class that i would be comfortable taking on the Hydras, without the garrison ability. With all other classes i would only take on the Frenzied Swamplighters and use the garrison ability on cooldown to kill the Hydras, ofc i dont know that other classes cannot take on more than this as i have never done it with other classes, but what i am sure of is that all classes can take on the Frenzied Swamplighters, they have literally no health, and ofc like i said different classes have a different tolerance to what level they can start this process at. If i was to make a guess i would say Monks, Hunters and Warlocks would have a nicer time and could probably start this process around 96 - 97 taking on Hydras, whereas Druids, Rogues, Priests and Paladins could maybe come here at 98 just taking on Frenzied Swamplighters, using garrison ability on cooldown to kill the odd Hydra. Maybe this is not viable for Warriors, Shamans and Mages but honestly i couldn't comment, i could only guess. But furthermore your comment is also saying in a round about way that Bloodthirsty is only possible on a Monk, as these mobs are the richest in XP for their level in Warlords, perfect spot for Bloodthirstys.
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Post by Xaya on Jul 7, 2016 16:42:17 GMT -5
congrats
in less than 2 months, every thing could be quite different once Legion goes live
Xayaforsi lvl 100 pandaren hunter (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayamonk lvl 86 night elf monk (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayapaci lvl 30 pacifist rogue gnome (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayahorde lvl 13 bloodelf rogue (alive) Wyrmrest Accord
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Post by Ironworgen on Jul 7, 2016 17:06:38 GMT -5
.... They are the only other class that i would be comfortable taking on the Hydras, without the garrison ability. ... I'm unclear on this Garrison ability of which you speak. My Forsaken Priest is the only character I have bothered to level beyond 90 ( 98), so I logged in to check things out. I did notice a Call To Arms ability, which apparently is some sort of garrison ability, but even looking online, I couldn't find any explanation for what it does. I ventured out into the wilderness, found a mob, and used it. So it summons several NPCs to fight my battles it seems, and strikes me as an extraordinarily inappropriate ability for an Iron to be using. I remember way back when, the use of Garrisons was debated. I was against that from the get go since there are so many garrison opportunities to take advantage of. It was discovered that it wasn't required to do the garrison in order to quest, so I thought the best thing to do would be to rule out garrisons, but as always I was overruled. Now my discovery of this ability is just another reason for me to think garrisons are inappropriate. It's not a Class or Racial ability, and strikes me very much as an item that gives a buff. I have received quest rewards that will summon a mob to fight for me, and I never though those were appropriate, so I find it hard to believe this ability would be proper for an Iron.
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Post by Margothon Lord of the Elements on Jul 7, 2016 17:34:04 GMT -5
.... They are the only other class that i would be comfortable taking on the Hydras, without the garrison ability. ... I'm unclear on this Garrison ability of which you speak. My Forsaken Priest is the only character I have bothered to level beyond 90 ( 98), so I logged in to check things out. I did notice a Call To Arms ability, which apparently is some sort of garrison ability, but even looking online, I couldn't find any explanation for what it does. I did venture out into the wilderness, found a mob, and used it. So it summons several NPCs to fight my battles it seems, and strikes me as an extraordinarily inappropriate ability for an Iron to be using. I remember way back when, the use of Garrisons was debated. I was against that from the get go since there are so many garrison opportunities to take advantage of. It was discovered that it wasn't required to do the garrison in order to quest, so I thought the best thing to do would be to rule out garrisons, but as always I was overruled. Now my discovery of this ability is just another reason for me to think garrisons are inappropriate. It's not a Class or Racial ability, and strikes me very much as an item that gives a buff. I have received quest rewards that will summon a mob to fight for me, and I never though those were appropriate, so I find it hard to believe this ability would be proper for an Iron. Ironworgen i have over time began to have a huge respect for how you take this challenge, or your own version of the challenge, but to be honest, ill tell you where i stand personally and i dont think it is a secret at this point. If its not in the rules i cannot start drawing my own moral integrity from thin air, if you feel i have cheated then thats your personal opinion, if i felt i had cheated i wouldnt very well put it here for all to see would i? If it said in the rules you must not use your garrison abilitys or anything in the garrison that gives you safe XP (mine/herb garden, follower quests that grant substantial amounts of XP), i wouldnt do it, but to be honest if its easy/safe/will get me to the next point, and is within the rules that the community has set out and clearly stated on the site for example staying in the previous expansions feeding off dailys or taking advantage of squishs or just recently the huge amount of safe XP i gained from Midsummer from the dailys and fires im going to do it, thats my personal take on the challenge, if i sit bottom of the integrity pile, im happy with that as i completed what i set out to do and thats get to 100 without dieing within all the clearly set out rules on the site. Im just here to maybe give tips to people that want to engage, no other reason and again all due respect to how you do the challenge.
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Post by Margothon Lord of the Elements on Jul 7, 2016 17:46:35 GMT -5
congrats in less than 2 months, every thing could be quite different once Legion goes live
Xayaforsi lvl 100 pandaren hunter (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayamonk lvl 86 night elf monk (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayapaci lvl 30 pacifist rogue gnome (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayahorde lvl 13 bloodelf rogue (alive) Wyrmrest Accord
Thank you, and absolutly i think previous weak classes will in some cases become the strongest, i think mage will get a huge boost in power (only speculation) and yes this spot could be viable for all classes in Legion. I also just wanted to put a spotlight on this area as it could really help people hoard XP for legion, as the usual tactic is stay in the previous expansion for as long as possible then move on, so the less XP you take out of Warlords getting to 100, the more you have to level with when Legion hits, if the artifact weapon is not allowed to be used, then this could be important. EDIT: Oh and good luck with your Monk, i see you making huge strides every day, i also see you are just going for it and not staying back for dailys, i salute you sir, heres a couple of quotes: "You don’t concentrate on risks. You concentrate on results. No risk is too great to prevent the necessary job from getting done". – Chuck Yeager. "With Great Risk Comes Great Reward" Thomas Jefferson.
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Post by Xaya on Jul 7, 2016 19:59:28 GMT -5
<snip> EDIT: Oh and good luck with your Monk, i see you making huge strides every day, i also see you are just going for it and not staying back for dailys, i salute you sir, heres a couple of quotes: "You don’t concentrate on risks. You concentrate on results. No risk is too great to prevent the necessary job from getting done". – Chuck Yeager. "With Great Risk Comes Great Reward" Thomas Jefferson. thanks, I'm trying a 'no daily' toon. Doing all of Northrend got me from 70 to near 86 (stay far from Ursoc and Sirana), I'll see where Cata get me (atm 4-5k xp per quests in Hyjal)
Xayaforsi lvl 100 pandaren hunter (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayamonk lvl 86 night elf monk (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayapaci lvl 30 pacifist rogue gnome (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayahorde lvl 13 bloodelf rogue (alive) Wyrmrest Accord
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Post by Lyssan on Jul 8, 2016 6:36:06 GMT -5
But furthermore your comment is also saying in a round about way that Bloodthirsty is only possible on a Monk, as these mobs are the richest in XP for their level in Warlords, perfect spot for Bloodthirstys. No, I did not say bloodthirsty is possible only on a monk. Any class can do it, not necessarily in Nightmarsh. What I said was this: the Nightmarsh is a good grinding spot because of Hydras, however only monks can kill them efficiently and relatively safe. For all other classes(hunters included) the more efficient option in my opinion is to do quests or treasure hunting( after level 100 the experience for lower level Draenor quests and treasures is very small - a SMW quest or treasure is 1500 exp at level 100).
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