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Post by Ironworgen on Nov 6, 2015 23:25:10 GMT -5
Since you're not going to be doing much fighting, a pacifist Warrior would also have the advantage of always using Defensive stance (reducing damage taken) which should increase survivability (at least a little bit).
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Post by ironart on Nov 7, 2015 0:42:52 GMT -5
We warriors need more then heroic strike lol.
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Post by Broken Fox on Nov 21, 2015 23:16:54 GMT -5
Yeah it's brutal at the moment for Warriors
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Post by ironmanpaff on Dec 27, 2015 16:26:33 GMT -5
Just Checking in, More warriors finding their way to the boards, lvl 80 is on the regular challenge now i see. Going to start working the grind more now as i see i have a lvl 27 warrior chasing me up the ladder ob bloodthirsty.... and i wanted to be the first warrior on both..hehe... well i guess i have my work cut out for me to get to 90 or 100 whatever the max is now for each challenge. I have found my way to lvl 35 and wish everyone a happy holidays and good luck with all the things you do
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Post by brittleiron on Dec 27, 2015 18:39:50 GMT -5
I have serious doubts about that warrior considering 79 was the highest warrior ever in Ironman and that was during Cata before the class suffered an endless chain of nerfs. Personally I think they are using some outside assistance, RAF exp and/or granted levels considering the speed with which they are leveling. Warrior killing/leveling speed is possibly the slowest of any Iron class.
However nothing they are doing is being caught by the flagging so grats to them I guess.
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Post by lehmkade on Dec 28, 2015 16:08:19 GMT -5
I have serious doubts about that warrior considering 79 was the highest warrior ever in Ironman and that was during Cata before the class suffered an endless chain of nerfs. Personally I think they are using some outside assistance, RAF exp and/or granted levels considering the speed with which they are leveling. Warrior killing/leveling speed is possibly the slowest of any Iron class. However nothing they are doing is being caught by the flagging so grats to them I guess. 70 to 80 in 5 days. I don't think I could do that. Hopefully when I get there i'll level as quickly and smoothly as that... Maybe he/she can give us a few tips. It's possible warrior dps picks up in the higher levels (I wouldn't know)... hopefully they'll hit 90 in 5 more days and 100 5 days after that.
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Post by brittleiron on Dec 28, 2015 18:09:39 GMT -5
I have serious doubts about that warrior considering 79 was the highest warrior ever in Ironman and that was during Cata before the class suffered an endless chain of nerfs. Personally I think they are using some outside assistance, RAF exp and/or granted levels considering the speed with which they are leveling. Warrior killing/leveling speed is possibly the slowest of any Iron class. However nothing they are doing is being caught by the flagging so grats to them I guess. 70 to 80 in 5 days. I don't think I could do that. Hopefully when I get there i'll level as quickly and smoothly as that... Maybe he/she can give us a few tips. It's possible warrior dps picks up in the higher levels (I wouldn't know)... hopefully they'll hit 90 in 5 more days and 100 5 days after that. DPS doesn't pick up in the higher levels and even 10 to 30 in 12 hours real time(which they did) I have doubts about as a warrior.... as well as them going 30 to 60 in 5 days seems unlikely. There are very few tips to be given for Iron warriors because there are very few options for how to play the class... I have been one of the top Iron warriors from the beginning and this person I am 99% sure is exploiting something.
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Post by Lyssan on Dec 28, 2015 20:09:59 GMT -5
The warrior leveled from 50 to 60 (based on achievement dates) in one day which would be impressive even for a hunter. Considering that a warrior needs to quest in zones way below his level with low experience per kill/quest, it makes it even more impressive. Brittle is right, the DPS doesnt pick up at higher levels and the survivability actually decreases. I'm not sure what to think about this.
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Post by furibundus on Dec 28, 2015 20:42:09 GMT -5
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Post by Lyssan on Dec 28, 2015 21:51:42 GMT -5
That post actually doesn't contain too many warrior specific tips. There are a lot of gaps in the leveling experience which are not easy to explain. For instance: - at 61, doing all quests in Blasted Lands and Silithus (the only zones with any quests worth doing) gives us about 60% of a level. How does a warrior level from 61 to 63 in a couple of days only with that? There are only a couple of dailies and chests are not very easy to find. - in fact any leveling based primarily on chests and dailies between 60 and 70 should take a considerable amount of time for any class, more so for a warrior - Please keep in mind that a warrior needs at least 5 levels difference to be able to fight effectively (that means 64-65 for Hellfire Peninsula). Getting those five levels is the hard part and I really dont think chests and exploration can do it in several days.
I'm not saying this wasn't legit, but the given explanation raises some questions.
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Post by brittleiron on Dec 29, 2015 3:49:11 GMT -5
I have to agree with Lyssan... the explanation is viable and standard Ironman rules/thoughts but they don't work as well for a warrior and the speed of leveling still suggests RAF to me or some such.
I have begun yet another warrior and things are already painfully slowing down again at 24.... let alone 30, 40, 50, 60...
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LokivTokiv
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What has happend? The forced spec feature has boosted Warrior power to all hell...?
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Post by LokivTokiv on Dec 29, 2015 4:16:58 GMT -5
I have made some ripples in the water so I will address this so we can resolve this. I would appreciate everyone that have doubts or questions regarding my progress to ask them here or directly. I have taken a bit of pride of the my current run and I want to show that Warrior are viable even tho they are tough. (would argue that shamans have a far rougher time) But I wanted to answer some of the questions and concerns so far: -I went with a 2-hander to kills mobs slightly faster because why use 1-hander and shield for added armor when you are fighting green mobs that just frequently misses. I have read the argument that you generate far more rage with faster auto attacks so you can use Heroic Strike more often which is correct based on it´s attack speed. I would love to read if anyone have the numbers of which is the better choice but I just prefer a 2-hander of the damage than a couple of % reduced damage. - I have seen that people are rising their eyebrows on the leveling speed because I´m doing a warrior which I understand. I started Ironman recently (Beginning of August after watching Kripparians World First Video) and I only wanted to do a Warrior on the solid reason that Warrior is my favorite class in WoW and wanted a legit 100 before Legions ruins the Ironman challanges flavor. I don´t know how much time the other challangers spent playing their runs but I roughly played 9-16 hours a day all through August to now. This have of course affected my studies a great deal but I have found a new passion so here I´m. -I agree that DPS do not increase through the leveling expect when you hit 61 and 71 (I hope it affects 81 and 86) when the expansion power creep hits prior content. (Vanilla <- TBC / TBC <- Wrath ) I would love to hear the arguments that a Warriors survivability decreses after getting Hamsting, Itimitation Shout and Spell Reflection (Easier at lv 52). I also want to know why people expect Warriors to do quests that involve fighting if its detrimental to the overall play-style and if your level aren´t high enough. This is a topic I would love to discuss with Warrior veterans how it has changed from Cata -> MoP and now WoD. -My post wowironmanchallenge.proboards.com/thread/976/walk-lonely-path-damned gives just my subjective opinion on how I used my spell loud-out and my summery of my journey from 1-77 and now my daily report on quests, chest locations and other notes. Of course I dosen´t have any "soild" tips yet because no one have actually asked me questions regarding the Warrior. -Chest aren´t hard to find because they have semi-zones that they spawn in. I made this crudely drawn picture in Paint pointing out the chests in Zangamarsh as an exemple. When I was in Outland chests gave me roughlty 10-13k and they even use your rested Exp as well so you can take advantage of that. If you have any warrior experience gladly share them but take in to account if they were runs during Wrath/Cata or MoP they arne´t as helpful when it come to the theory-crafting or testing since the abillity pruning and buff/nerf from expansion differ and the tactic along with them. I´m NOT here to convince anyone but to show what I have learned so please share yours. With the questions I will hopefully receive I can shed some light on things so we can get more warriors on the list.
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Post by brittleiron on Dec 29, 2015 6:31:32 GMT -5
With the amount of time played I guess I can see getting to that level.
It is true that things have changed from Cata > MoP > WoD... but the changes have only made things slower and more difficult. You could easily hit 63.5 before heading to Outland just through normal questing, which is not possible now. Killing speed was faster as well because the class hadn't lost abilities.
Yes you can steamroll old content at the breakpoints 61, 71, etc but the experience has been massively reduced from what it used to be.
I agree with using a 2h weapon... the rage generation is actually about equal but the bigger hits and thus potential crits push 2h ahead. 1h/shield lost a lot when they removed the bonus damage to heroic strike when using a 1h weapon. You kill faster 2h and thus might take bigger hits of damage but less of them overall.
Something HAS changed however in WoD since the release.... earlier in the expansion even barely green mobs were hurting a lot more than they seem to now. If that trend continues til the higher levels this does seem more viable.
You must forgive me though for still being uncertain about you achieving a higher level than ever for any Iron warrior... the class is much more difficult than it used to be and it was brutal then.
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LokivTokiv
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What has happend? The forced spec feature has boosted Warrior power to all hell...?
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Post by LokivTokiv on Dec 29, 2015 7:26:04 GMT -5
Thank you for the response! Can you give me the level range so I can somewhat run trough that time of questing? I can tell you that I, like most veterans (from what I have read) use the same progression path they used on their prior Ironmans that worked and was either safe or worth the risk. I don´t like deviating from that because that just causes more unease will lead to mistakes or death. I will give a quick example of this was when I pass through The Hinterlands you will enter a cave full of slime to gather crates and kill regular slimes. The is an additional quest to kill a mob called Prime Slime, which I usually skip because he is Impossible for warrior to handle. I got overconfident with my run and tried and of course died tempted with the exp from the quest. I don´t have a reference point when it come to the leveling speeds of the classes since I have only rolled Warrior but from the feeling when fighting mobs and watching Lyssan´s Videos, yes you are absolutely right that its slow. I dont know the numbers of the for breaking points prior WoD but I remember doing the Vanilla quests and they gave roughly 1-2k per quests so its not much but I still regard that exp is exp in the end. The Breaking point at 71 in Outlands are far move fruitful compared to the Vanilla one. Quests in Hellfire gave the lowest of 750-1500. Rest of the zones gave all from 2-5 depends if they were an end chain quest or not. The biggest shock to me were that the quest chain www.wowhead.com/quest=11022/speak-with-mogdorg gave a full 16k per quest! There is one fight in the chain that can kill you which was www.wowhead.com/quest=10995/grulloc-has-two-skulls. When he enrages he hurts but the power-creep helps you preserve. You could do the 3 man quest but you can´t do the 5 man ones even with the power creep. Just impossible. I was considered going one-hander at the start when I got Shield Charge but I just disappeared from the spell book and later read up here that you need Gladiator Stance to use it. But past 75 I recommend The Brynhildar one-hand axe and Shield because The Brynhildar Polearm is useless...it has an attack speed of 4.0 which means 1 Heroic Strike each 12 second if we are not counting the rage from Charge. Do you have any rough number or examples of that or a mob that was affected? I know there are mobs that hit harder than most for example Cats like the panthers and tiger in Stangelthorn and Darkshore but compared to Cata/MoP I don´t know. But I would consider mobs with the Demoralizing Shout and Ice Armor to be further up on the hate list than raw physical attacks. I going to be honest here, I would react the same way if someone comes out of the blue and does something that is hard and have been considered hard for years. I´m actually glad that Stone red flagged me so I can leave my antisocial shell for a bit. No need to apologize either and I´m glad that we are having this discussion.
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