rustyiron
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Never Surrender, Sometimes Retreat
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Post by rustyiron on Jun 16, 2012 8:06:48 GMT -5
Ah, I have a husband that demands "now" no matter what many times for stupid things like putting a cat out..)..so I try to play only when he is out or asleep..he has caused many priestly deaths of Rustyiron..(so many I don't rage anymore it's just..*sigh* and restart...)
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Kyrie
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Post by Kyrie on Mar 5, 2013 12:28:18 GMT -5
Just for anyone starting out....many of the spells above are now spec-only. I'll comment on what I know: Levels 1-10 --- Spamming Smite is all you need. Toss PW:S up if needed. Level 11-18 --- With mana changes in MoP, I use PW:S in beginning of every fight and keep up with boss fights. Spam Smite. With a boss, I toss on SW:P in the beginning when he gets in melee range. I have had absolutely no difficulties with hp or mana as of yet. I'll comment each time I gain 10 levels or so. :-D There are no other offensive spells until Level 42 I believe....so I probably will wait and comment then.
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Post by tahana on Mar 5, 2013 19:30:50 GMT -5
I agree with this.. I got one priest to almost 60 (59.75) before I died from a stroke of stupid on my part..
I bubbled PW:P smite smite smite.. (tagline) and renewed stuff as necessary. I've taken down rares and actually haven't had one fight that I couldn't complete while questing. Horde guards are a completely different story however.
Yes I drink between every 3 to 4 normal mobs and after every big boss fight.. But that isn't a problem for me so far..
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Kyrie
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Post by Kyrie on Mar 5, 2013 21:09:16 GMT -5
Nice to know! Thanks for assisting with the MoP update, Tahana. Again, glad you're aboard!
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Post by ironissa on Feb 17, 2014 21:01:16 GMT -5
Just started a priest yesterday. Only lvl 20 but so far it's been pretty much what people have said above - smite, smite, smite, smite...smite some more, PW:S if getting smacked around a bit, and PW:P thrown in for tougher mobs. Looking at my spellbook it seems like it's going to be like that the entire time. Compared to my druid, it's slower and the rotation is *incredibly* boring (not necessarily a bad thing for an iron tho, simple is best), but PW:S keeps me well protected (enough that I've taken on 3 mobs at once and didn't drop health) and mana hasn't been an issue at all (yet). It just takes foreverrr to kill things. Even green mobs. I was working on (and may still) a hunter, but everyone plays a hunter and I wanted to try something different. I'll try to post more as a I progress but don't think my rotation will be changing... looking forward to PW:F at lvl 22 tho.
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Post by ironnite1 on Feb 18, 2014 12:20:07 GMT -5
I went to level 42. I always tried to fight mobs in green quests (3-4 levels lower). While mana issues seemed to be more and more of an issue, it was possible to kill several mobs (4-5) without drinking. Shield up and SW: P up at all times .... and smite forever. Kinda boring but barely ever felt like I was in danger of a death.
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Post by ironissa on Feb 18, 2014 16:09:33 GMT -5
I ended up dying yesterday at lvl 22 on the quest 'Sowing Discord' in Silverpine Forest. Not really a good quest for any iron to attempt (horde side of course), but once again, overconfidence got me... Mana issues start around 29/30. Don't want to burst your bubble, but PW:F doesn't help much now that its a 10% addition instead of a flat addition. We have so little STA to begin with that 10% amounts to 2-4 STA added for 20-40 health. Shield also starts to fail much sooner around lvl 32 if you fight mobs around your lvl. You're right about PW:F, it really wasn't anything to look forward to unfortunately. Well, back at it again...
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tanee
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Post by tanee on Apr 25, 2014 15:42:39 GMT -5
I have started dabbling in the priest again. Way back when, I quit playing her when one of the cat bosses in STV finally went down after consuming all my mana. After coming back, I realized that part of the problem was my technique. So I came here to learn only to find out most of the information is old & outdated & no longer applies. So, if our lustrous, wise, and longest living leader, Deidreven, would give us advice & ideas & techniques, I would be ever so thankful.
In particular, these are the questions I have for you, and in addition, would you please critique my rotation?
This is what I have been doing with single target pulls, and even boss pulls:
1. Smite, sw: pain while moving back for cd to smite again, renew only after my hp starts going down so the ticks are not wasted and hopefully will last until the kill, pw: shield if mob/boss is lowering my hp faster than my renew can heal or an add shows up. I read somewhere that sw: pain was worthless, but according to the tool tip, it costs about twice as much mana & does about twice as much damage over time. So the instant cast is like doing smite twice, and the damage is in addition to smite. So it seems beneficial assuming the mob takes close to 18 seconds to kill which seems to be the case. That's it. As far as I can see, at level 35, there's nothing else.
2. Does Fade work at all for us? As far as I can tell, it only works if a mob has someone else to attack.
3. Is there any reason to learn first aid? It seems to be useful to at least level it to runecloth so that at 89, one can do the first aid quest for max xp from it.
4. How do you handle 3 mobs? Anything different? I'm thinking about those slimes & ravagers in the last quests & cave of Wintersprings.
5. Ideas on using a wand? Initially I had used a wand, but then it gave me a few problems, so I quit. The wand does so little damage that even in the case of oom, auto attacks with the staff would do the same damage???
6. Your ideas on armor??? I had a lock iron friend that just used the armor she liked the best. But, I know on my other class, armor, no matter how tiny an upgrade, was beneficial. Although a priest isn't suppose to get hit, they do, so it seems all upgrades are valuable, even a weapon upgrade incase you have to "whack".
7. Right now I am in STV with the mobs are 5 to 6 levels lower than me, and it's working well. So far. But there will be times that the mobs are a lot closer to my level. Anything you can tell us about this experience?
8. What level did you go to Outlands, Northrend, Cata? And why in the world did you go & kill caterpillars in mop at 88? What gave you the confidence that you had a reasonable chance at downing them?
Although these issues are specifically addressed to Deidreven, anyone else's input is appreciated too.
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Post by iarnaig on Apr 25, 2014 17:21:17 GMT -5
I've never tried iron priest but my main is a priest so I may be able to help on the more general questions 2. Does Fade work at all for us? As far as I can tell, it only works if a mob has someone else to attack. Correct, it's only any help to you whenever you learn Shadowfiend, as you can then dump aggro onto your pet for a few sec (long enough to get a bandage off at least) Depends really; if mana is ok for you with healing yourself with spells, probably not, but if mana gets tight often, then yes - the aforementioned Fade+Shadowfiend combo gives you time to bandage, as does Psychic Scream (although be wary of using that when there's potential adds around ) I always take first aid on every character, even non-iron ones, more out of habit than anything else, but even these days there are occasional times where it's handy (for example, my alliance rogue on a 95% horde server, since worldbosses were made tap to faction - a bandage is rather handy for surviving when there's no friendly healers ), and for ironman, all the more so. I tried using wand on my warlock and reached the same conclusion, it does so little damage, that why bother really. That, and when it's in autoattack, it always has a slight delay on stopping autoattacking if you want to cast a spell - regular weapons don't have that delay (admittedly, I haven't tried wand since before MoP, possibly they've fixed that one!) Absolutely - and your lock friend maybe didn't realise that voidwalker armour is boosted by player armour, so even for a warlock it helps; I always used the best I could find As a squishy caster without a pet and without much in the way of slows or roots, you'll certainly be taking hits. I believe (I may be wrong) that the dmg reduction from armour comes before your shield absorb, so your shield will last longer if you have more armour; pretty sure it used to work that way anyway, and don't see why it would have changed. I may be entirely wrong, however, it's just what I've always believed! Respect to anyone who tries iron priest, having levelled as holy/disc in vanilla and Burning Crusade days (I had two priests), I know very much how painful a weak priest can be, and it put me off ever trying them as ironman. Granted, an iron priest these days might well be easier than my priests were back then...
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Post by Deidreven on Apr 25, 2014 20:54:46 GMT -5
Hey Tanee. Hopefully I can help some, but sounds like you have a great grasp on the priest.
As I have stated before, I was shocked how easy I felt the priest was. I'm not sure at what level that started, maybe 40s or 50s, but the dps was a pleasant surprise (now remember, I just got done leveling my monk to 90, so I'm probably comparing the dps to a monk:) and Power Word: Shield is imo 2nd only to the rogue's Vanish as the single most OP ability I've had on any class. It wasn't until I took my level 85 priest to fight the catepillars in MoP that I ever saw the shield come even close to being used up in 15 seconds. It was guaranteed to eliminate all damage in all fights for me. It is amazing.
1. Obviously the choices for dps are next to nothing. Only debate is SWP. Definitely use it on bosses. When I was at levels where mana seemed to drain quicker, I used it less often. Most things will die way too fast for you to get the benefit from it and it does cost a bit of mana. SW: death is nice when you get it and you will always use it. Honestly I didn't worry much about pulling and moving back. Just went in and killed stuff. Renew was almost always plenty to keep my health up, and when it wasn't I'd pop PWS.
However, since you have had DC issues Tanee, I'd seriously consider always using SWP because if you do DC, it gives you a shot to finish off the mob you might be fighting. Just a thought.
2. I've never used Fade, but could be used like iarnaig said with shadowfiend.
3. My first aid is stopped at 300. I've never had a need for it personally.
4. Not a lot you can do with more than one mob at a time except put SWP on each of them (if u have enough mana for it). It is nice to get the full benefit from SWP that way. And of course you'll need your shield up. If SWP is up on them, you can also just get the first one you are on low enough so SWP will kill it and move on to the next one. You don't need to kill off the first one completely.
5. Never used a wand. And have never had a need for auto attacks. I've personally never been in a position where I was out of mana and needed auto attacks. And I think if I ever did get in that position, I would have started running away and used shadowmeld.
6. Do try to keep my armour up as much as possible. We definitely get beat on while fighting. Though I've talked with Ster about this, not sure the armour we wear really makes any difference for us.
7. I pretty much always fought green mobs. But if there was an occasional yellow mob, only difference would be I would definitely use SWP and PWS. Both of those are mana guzzlers, so kind of a pain.
8. Can't remember on outlands. I'm sure it was 62 or so like normal. Went a little earlier to Northrend then I did on my monk because I felt much more "powerful" with the priest. I think i was probably 71 or 72. Cata I did at 84. I'm chicken of the quest with the turtle you use with the shield so I stopped there in Mt. Hjyal. And like I said, at 85 I did the catepillar. I downed it ok, but was low on mana so I'm not doing them a lot.
Don't know if any of this is helpful, but I hope you stick with the priest Tanee cause I think you'll be shocked how OP you will feel. I'm bummed you aren't on Wymrest Accord with us, I'd love to hear how your adventures are when you are online. But hopefully you'll still play your monk and we can hear from you.
Best of luck and please let me know if I can help in any way.
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tanee
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Post by tanee on May 18, 2014 21:14:54 GMT -5
Ty Died & iarnaig, you both were very helpful. I do have another questions, though. Levitate. Does it prevent fall damage completely as in using it for drake to drake should a mishap happen with it, and can it be cast in battle? Drake to drake is my biggest worry because I died both ways that I now know about, that is harpooning a riderless drake that despawned on me, & harpooning a drake that got out of my reach, pulling me off my mount, but failing to land me on it. Last time I endured that quest, I got put in battle with a passing drake which prevented me from using instant flight form or druid had I needed it. If that were to happen with the priest, could she still cast levitate?
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Post by iarnaig on May 19, 2014 6:43:21 GMT -5
Yes, levitate can be used in combat, I always use it on Ordos on my main to not take falldmg It gets removed if you take any dmg, so you need to be careful with it, but it has no cd, so as long as you can recast it before you hit the bottom it'll save you I did that quest on a non-iron priest recently and had my first ever experience of falling off, but with levitate it was no problem, just a gentle descent. Quite boring tbh, I should've cast it lower as it took forever to reach the bottom!
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Cyrneh
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Post by Cyrneh on Apr 26, 2016 3:15:32 GMT -5
Hi there! So I just started this challenge as a priest. Have played wow since 2006, but haven't logged on the last couple of years. This somehow drew my interest and now I'm having fun. I can see that the spells available have changed a lot since most of the general advice here was written, but mana doesn't seem to be much of an issue so far so that helps. Nice and slow, safe and protected under the bubble with surrounding dangers in green levels. Smiting my way upwards. all the best, Cyrneh
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othra
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Post by othra on May 30, 2016 5:15:09 GMT -5
Hi there! So I just started this challenge as a priest. Have played wow since 2006, but haven't logged on the last couple of years. This somehow drew my interest and now I'm having fun. I can see that the spells available have changed a lot since most of the general advice here was written, but mana doesn't seem to be much of an issue so far so that helps. Nice and slow, safe and protected under the bubble with surrounding dangers in green levels. Smiting my way upwards. all the best, Cyrneh Yess! I started reading this guide and Mana doesn't seem to be an issue at all, I can use SW:P freely on every pull!
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Post by adveshan on Jul 5, 2016 5:19:49 GMT -5
I'm currently the top priest that started in WoD. I'm lvl 64 atm, and I've been at 62 before, but died thanks to some dumb horde hunter named Jafarto.
Some strategies I implement are the following:
-Shadow Fiend + Fade combo to have the shadow fiend tank. It's a way to gauge the mob's dmg, and to allow you to get in some burst. Sometimes I even put a PW:S on it to buy more time.
-SW:P kiting. I find myself spamming SW:P while running away to get the mob very low while it's chasing me. This is very effective when the mob is at 20%- because it begins to lose movement speed.
-My rotation usually begins with popping PW:S about 4-8 seconds before combat, depending on how hard the mob hits, that way another one will be ready shortly into combat. I cast my first Smite followed by a SW:P, and I spam Smite until I refresh SW:P or I need to heal/use PW:S. I combo Smite + SW:P as a finisher, if I think it'll be enough to kill the mob.
-AoE rotation: Pre-cast PW:S, hit every mob with SW:P (2-5 mobs), and then Mind Sear. I used this rotation for the silithids in Southern Barrens, Lashers in Desolace, and Lashers in Un'Goro Crater.
-ALWAYS rebuff PW:F and Fear Ward. I ran into a few mobs I didn't even know had fear abilities until I saw my FW drop off (final frostsaber quest mob for the cooks in Winterspring).
-Mind Vision is a great tool to scout an area, provided you pick a safe place to scout from. Always know a game plan, and know what you're fighting. At this point, if I haven't engaged a mob before, I look it up on wowhead to make sure it doesn't have scaling issues/fear/aimed shot/etc.
-First Aid is your friend, it's a way to save mana to have less downtime, it also can be used to do the Darkmoon Faire quest.
-Don't waste mana dispelling effects that don't affect you (slows/less melee dmg taken).
-Heal before you panic. Figure out how much % a mob hurts you for and account for a few crits. Never be surprised by their damage.
-Abuse the ever-living crud out of Shackle Undead. Don't forget it's a spell. It was very useful in Dustwallow Marsh when fighting the undead ogres.
-Get the highest quality non-buff food you can get. If you're 55+, take a trip to Outland ASAP to buy the lvl 55 food. It will full heal you in 1-2 seconds.
-Use Resurrection/heals or assist other players at your own peril.
-Levitate will save you a lot of time with short-cuts over cliffs or over water. Just make sure you aren't targeting something, so you're the one who's getting the buff. I made the mistake of jumping off the cliff in Feralas after the last quest (the nightmare dragon) while targeting the friendly NPC. Luckily, I survived with 1% health left, because I ran off instead of jumping.
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