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Post by ironmaid3n on Jun 25, 2015 11:48:33 GMT -5
I was curious what the consensus was on the holiday fires and other holiday quests for Irons. I know some daily's are frowned upon, I guess I was just wondering if these fell in line with them. I know the moon festival elders are pretty much the same thing as collecting fires. Do you guys mainly see these as free-ish xp for your irons, or a big no no?
Thanks for the time you took to read my newbish questions. Have fun Ironing.
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Post by 'Ster on Jun 25, 2015 11:59:34 GMT -5
Hey, we like easy questions ! Actually, Stone addressed the current Summer Festival do's / don'ts on the main page: wowchallenges.com/ (left hand side) In general, holidays are wonderful for Iron, can give a boost to gaining XP over the normal questing / grinds. Some holidays are more profitable, while others are dismal. As always, ask others if any traps. For example, technically you could extinguish the horde bonfires, but of course, you become PvP flagged and easily extinguishable yourself. If a holiday quest gives you a buff you can remove, then certainly unclick it. Good luck !
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Post by iarnaig on Jun 25, 2015 12:32:32 GMT -5
I love the holiday quests, although I do take care not to only log my lesser-played ironmen on for holidays and barely play them the rest of the time! To give a quick boost for a couple of lvls is great, especially over a tricky patch, but it's better not to use them as the main source of exp. I'm hoping to get my current warlock up to the Eastern Plaguelands lvl range before the end of the holiday, and then use the bonfires to either skip it entirely, or at least get well over lvl for it, because that's a really tough zone for me, only trouble is I'm about ten lvls too low at present and I'm playing my main in Tanaan, not sure I'll have time to lvl up! A tip for the opposite faction bonfires if you're high enough lvl to fly and feel brave enough to try them (I only do this at neutral towns where I'm very near the flightpath, and look around very carefully first): you only get flagged when you hit the button to complete the quest, and you can mount up again before doing that - so, open bonfire, mount up, complete quest, hit spacebar and fly away fast
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 17:28:12 GMT -5
must ...not ..piss on horde fires /looks over shoulder for ster glaring at me Or Ferr waving her motherly finger at me
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Post by Ironworgen on Jun 25, 2015 20:52:53 GMT -5
I am not a fan of daily or seasonal quests.
Don't like the idea of repeatable, zero-risk quests that can be done for experience. Granted, there are plenty of zero risk regular quests in the game, but they are one time only, and often necessary to advance a quest chain or open up a quest hub.
Taken to an absurdly ridiculous extreme, given enough years, you could safely sit in a faction capital and do nothing but zero-risk seasonal quests to reach max level.
I have never gotten an Iron character to even a moderately high level, and it seems to be that dailies are used a lot by many as the levels get higher, and maybe they are the only way to reach max level, but personally, I would prefer to exhaust all other questing options before doing dailies or seasonals.
I would prefer grinding mobs as more in the spirit of the Iron Challenge, as that is not zero-risk, as opposed to doing dailies or seasonals.
I'm not saying that all those quests are zero-risk, but certainly some are, and my personal preference would be regular questing or grinding mobs before resorting to dailies or seasonals.
Of course this is nothing more than a theoretical discussion since I have never been even close of the position of trying to reach max level. Might change my tune if I ever get that far. And it is a personal challenge, so to each his/her own, but that's my general approach.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 0:56:50 GMT -5
Don't disagree with your thoughts I actually agree with you, however i think you might want to get to 80 or 90 then see if you have the same view.
We flag people for pet battles/ heirloom however doing the winter spring/plants vs ghouls and seasonal non dangerous dallies is deemed ok. of course it has been made abundantly clear my views don't count on this website anymore.
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Post by iarnaig on Jun 26, 2015 8:21:29 GMT -5
The thing with dailies is, at higher lvls you really can't grind mobs for exp - most classes aren't strong enough to jump up to the next expansion and grind mobs the same lvl as themselves (maybe hunters can, rest of us can't), and mobs from the previous expansion give almost zero exp, it's something like 20 exp per kill when you need over 200,000 to level. If I wanted to grind THAT many mobs I'd be doing the grinder challenge, not ironman. Plus, questing is usually more dangerous than picking an easy grinding spot, so I far prefer to do proper quests - sure, some are "safe" but most are more risky since you have to get right into an area filled with hostile mobs, instead of just picking off safe ones round the edges. Yeah, I do some of the safe quests as well for an exp boost, but I mainly use normal type quests: kill mobs, loot item from awkward location, etc etc. Being able to do said quest more than once does not make it less of a quest IMO.
As for the holiday quests, the rules have specifically said, right from the start, that they are allowed. The rules once upon a time saying that people were allowed to buy on the AH has been used for a long time to justify people getting armour/weapons that drop off mobs they can't even kill yet, so if that's ok, holiday quests definitely are. Once a year isn't that much, and at high lvls at least, you don't get that big a gain from them (I did the entire lot on a non-iron alt the other day, pretty much exactly 1 lvl; for an ironman who isn't going to be stamping out pvp bonfires, that's less then half a lvl as the pvp ones give double the exp of the friendly ones), it's not like you get 5+ lvls out of it. Now, sitting in a town and only doing holiday events to lvl is not in the spirit of ironman, but for a character who is actively playing to accept a minor bonus, is fine IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2015 14:52:23 GMT -5
Ironworgen: I totally know how you feel. Sometimes the seasonal stuff does feel a bit too easy but a way I look at it is that they're not available all the time.... typically 2-3 weeks, yeah? It's kind of a bonus for your Iron Man, a faster step forward for early levels and a nice reprieve during the later levels. I'd feel weird by checking for only a few of those easy quests and flagging and leaving the hard ones alone. Then we might also get into issues where you and I might think a particular quest is easy but someone else thinks it's hard. When folks don't agree on something they can generally get sour and I'd prefer to avoid that, so I would err on the side of All or Nothing. The rule I pulled from you guys was that seasonal quests were allowed but if the general consensus is No, we can most certainly change that. I don't know if I could flag a toon this time around, since we're already allowing the quests under the current rules, but next time around I could check for it. I'd be worried that it could still show completed from the previous year and incorrectly flag a character, so I may not even be able to help via the site.
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Post by ferrestella on Jun 26, 2015 15:34:21 GMT -5
To the best of my knowledge, holiday quests have always been allowed. And I hope they would stay that way. WoW has always been about a mix of activities and types of quests and these make a nice break from the usual progression through the zones. And the bit of exp provided can give a much needed psychological boost when your character is at one of those awkward levels where hardly anything doable provides much of any exp.
I seriously doubt that anyone is leveling to max level on holiday quests alone, so that shouldn't even be an issue.
And for what it's worth, I am strenuously opposed to anyone attempting to sift through lists of quests and declare that some aren't 'hard enough' to be allowed by iron people. Everyone's mileage may vary and that is an incredibly slippery slope to even stare down much less start on. There have always been a variety of quest difficulties as part of the leveling experience for all players, iron and non-iron: Kill, Grind, Collect, Breadcrumbs, FedEx, Use some item to do something, etc. And the Grinder challenge is always available for those who don't want questing.
If people want to make their own experience more challenging for themselves, by all means they should go for it. Or make another challenge that doesn't permit it. But the Ironman Challenge itself shouldn't get mixed up in value judgements about HOW IRON individual quests, characters, or players are, as long as they are following the original rules of the challenge.
Just my thoughts.
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Post by Xaya on Jun 26, 2015 20:51:05 GMT -5
imo, those quests should be allowed.
when you get to 90, all you have is some dailies. Pandaria mobs give almost no xp while being hard to kill, and anything lower give a lot more less xp. Grinders will have a lot of work to do to get to 91, pacifists will have an easier time getting to 91 I think. Getting to Draenor on an iron toon before lvl 95 is not advisable (I got there at 93 on a hunter and it was a nightmare all the way to 100).
Those 'holiday quests' can give a litle break from the usual ironman questing or grinding. From the midsummer fires, one lvl could be gain and maybe 2 if you're doing the other faction's fires (with all the risks of getting pvp flagged). As for the midsummers various lvl bosses (before Ahune) it will depend on your lvl : if you're at the start of a lvl range you can't do it, if you're at the end you can do it.
Getting to 100 is long and tedious and depends a little on luck (for DC's and other Blizz bugs like Ster encountered recently). A little break once in a while is not too much to give to those of us who try ironman, a few free lvl per year should be allowed as a reward for trying.
It is a personnal challenge. You can make it as hard as you want for yourself (like only do a naked mage not allowed to use spells), but other should be allowed a little easier way. If one only does seasonal quests, then their number of kills will show it and they'll get flagged (something could probably be done on the pacifist challenge to check that too)
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Post by landish on Mar 10, 2017 3:49:51 GMT -5
Everyone knows about Summer holidays but almost nobody knows about Spring ones. For example, do you know about april 20 holidays? I hope just someone heard about it.
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Post by Xaya on Mar 10, 2017 6:28:09 GMT -5
Everyone knows about Summer holidays but almost nobody knows about Spring ones. For example, do you know about april 20 holidays? I hope just someone heard about it. This thread was about 'holidays' that Blizzard put in the game, like Midsummer or Noblegarden:)
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