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Post by ironballz on Feb 15, 2012 0:44:47 GMT -5
Hi, i would like to report Neverdied for breaking rule nr. 8
8. No groups or assistance from other characters, even if not grouped
You can easily find out by comparing his total kills with his total killing blows, its a huge difference of over 8k kills. Now if you want to see how a legit char looks like check Ironmin's stats.
Thats it. Peace
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Post by Ellypta on Feb 15, 2012 0:56:17 GMT -5
Can we leave this petty crap in the "official" thread please? On this board we're working really hard to maintain the positive environment that this challenge was originally all about.
While I suspect that there is in fact legitimate reason for the discrepancy in kills/killing blows (i.e. grinding in a spot where there are NPCs that generally get credited with the killing blows), I frankly don't care. At the end of the day this is a personal challenge. If Neverdied is cheating she is only cheating herself. It has absolutely no bearing on what I or any of the other participants are doing.
This is not a race. It's a personal test to see how much you can accomplish with how little.
Bicker about this in the WoW forums if you so choose, this is not the place for it.
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Post by ironburgundy on Feb 15, 2012 1:46:01 GMT -5
Hi, i would like to report Neverdied for breaking rule nr. 8 8. No groups or assistance from other characters, even if not grouped You can easily find out by comparing his total kills with his total killing blows, its a huge difference of over 8k kills. Now if you want to see how a legit char looks like check Ironmin's stats. Thats it. Peace Not even sure that Neverdied was initially playing the Ironman challenge actually. He/she may have just been trying to level to 85 w/o dying. And besides, who cares? It's a personal challenge. If you 'cheated' or whatever, then that's on you. Just go level dude.
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Post by ironhuntard on Feb 15, 2012 2:46:20 GMT -5
At the end of the day this is a personal challenge. If Neverdied is cheating she is only cheating herself. It has absolutely no bearing on what I or any of the other participants are doing. This is not a race. It's a personal test to see how much you can accomplish with how little. Well said! I have tried to stick to the rules. Unfortunately I thought it was okay to sell things on the AH (EU Ironman forum seemed to suggest this was okay). Turns out this is a violation of rule 2 ...damn! So my 'personal' Ironman Challenge allows use of the AH (on this version of my character anyway). To be honest getting to level 30 will be an achievement for me, I usually die before then and that is with greens! People already saying the rules are not tough enough, most of us are indeed having fun using our own 'interpretation' of the rules. Now of course, it is inevitable that someone will find an 'undetectable' cheat at some point and claim they are somehow 'special' because they got to L85. They are special alright ;D Most of us are not sure it is even possible to reach level cap this way, it is more how far can I get. Some classes are going to have a much tougher time than the others as well.
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Post by thedr on Feb 15, 2012 4:14:38 GMT -5
At the end of the day this is a personal challenge. If Neverdied is cheating she is only cheating herself. It has absolutely no bearing on what I or any of the other participants are doing. This is not a race. It's a personal test to see how much you can accomplish with how little. Well said! I have tried to stick to the rules. Unfortunately I thought it was okay to sell things on the AH (EU Ironman forum seemed to suggest this was okay). Turns out this is a violation of rule 2 ...damn! So my 'personal' Ironman Challenge allows use of the AH (on this version of my character anyway). To be honest getting to level 30 will be an achievement for me, I usually die before then and that is with greens! People already saying the rules are not tough enough, most of us are indeed having fun using our own 'interpretation' of the rules. Now of course, it is inevitable that someone will find an 'undetectable' cheat at some point and claim they are somehow 'special' because they got to L85. They are special alright ;D Most of us are not sure it is even possible to reach level cap this way, it is more how far can I get. Some classes are going to have a much tougher time than the others as well. the use of the AH is perfectly fine in the US as well.
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Post by casa on Feb 15, 2012 8:24:07 GMT -5
Hi, i would like to report Neverdied for breaking rule nr. 8 8. No groups or assistance from other characters, even if not grouped You can easily find out by comparing his total kills with his total killing blows, its a huge difference of over 8k kills. Now if you want to see how a legit char looks like check Ironmin's stats. Thats it. Peace Neverdied's stats seem consistent with a hunter who is 100% grinding using almost exclusively her pet. If you can find proof that she or anyone else has actually broken the rules (eg. inspect in-game to see gear, or a video of someone killing for her), I'll mark them as invalid, and maybe even call them names. Otherwise, this sort of thread is useless and no one cares.
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Post by Ironlord on Feb 15, 2012 10:40:04 GMT -5
Can we leave this petty crap in the "official" thread please? On this board we're working really hard to maintain the positive environment that this challenge was originally all about. While I suspect that there is in fact legitimate reason for the discrepancy in kills/killing blows (i.e. grinding in a spot where there are NPCs that generally get credited with the killing blows), I frankly don't care. At the end of the day this is a personal challenge. If Neverdied is cheating she is only cheating herself. It has absolutely no bearing on what I or any of the other participants are doing. This is not a race. It's a personal test to see how much you can accomplish with how little. Bicker about this in the WoW forums if you so choose, this is not the place for it. This is 100% accurate. Thank you ironellypta. These forums are here for the people who want to enjoy the challenge for the way it originally was meant to be. No one called each other out on 'cheating', because everyone was doing their own thing -some stuck to the rules, others did them a little differently. Why? Because they wanted to, and it was FUN for them. Unfortunately that concept has become lost on the general people after the blue post - which is why i'm doing everything I can to maintain the core of what was started.
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Post by ironbritches on Feb 15, 2012 10:46:11 GMT -5
The pet does not count against your killing blow count (it does not get credit for killing blows).
For example - my character Ironbritches on Wyrmrest Accord has 673 kills and 671 killing blows. NPC guards accounted for one of those while another player accounted for the other. There have been many times my bear finished off a mob but it hasn't counted against my killing blow count.
Yes, this is an honor based challenge but the challenger board is making some attempt to create accountability by looking at certain stats. While kills and killing blows will probably never be the exact same number I should think that a ratio could be considered for validation.
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Post by ironhuntard on Feb 15, 2012 11:09:48 GMT -5
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Post by Ironlord on Feb 15, 2012 12:15:08 GMT -5
Remember that Neverdied followed different rules than us in his challenge. Also, we're not here to downplay or argue against other people's accomplishments or goals. I ask that you please refrain from that on these forums, as we are not here to argue who is 'valid' and 'not valid.' Thank you.
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Post by ironbritches on Feb 15, 2012 12:30:42 GMT -5
Then that begs the question: Why you would have a challenger board that tracks compliance in various ways at all?
If you have an accountability method then people will expect accountability, odd as that may seem.
I think most people realize this is just for fun and it is really only yourself you punish by gaming the system. But you also have to understand frustration when you establish a methodology and then create a means to track compliance, only to see others exploit that very tool.
I also recognize that the person this thread is titled for may have not submitted themselves since there is nothing stopping someone from entering any name. With that in mind I don't think people should get too worked up about it.
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Post by Ironlord on Feb 15, 2012 12:37:06 GMT -5
I agree - and that's what the tracker was for, for those people that decided to go by the rules posted next to the tracker. Yes, someone else probably added that name as a joke - I think the process of validating that you are adding your own character would be way to complicated, and might even violate Blizzard's API ToS.
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Post by ironhuntard on Feb 16, 2012 0:46:49 GMT -5
Remember that Neverdied followed different rules than us in his challenge. Also, we're not here to downplay or argue against other people's accomplishments or goals. I ask that you please refrain from that on these forums, as we are not here to argue who is 'valid' and 'not valid.' Thank you. Different rules certainly, mob tagging and not looting any gold. So only using Arcane Shot? I noticed the official site even has Nererdied as an inspiration It may be worth someone approaching blizzard to see if a registered tracker would be allowed for those who actually want to follow the rules and gauge their progress against others doing the same. If not then each of the Ironman guilds could keep this as an in guild competition.
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Post by Ironlord on Feb 16, 2012 1:27:00 GMT -5
We have wowironman.com for tracking. And yes, I posted that before I saw the posts on the forum.
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