Pacifist-safe quests

[Xeraphia]

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I've been looking but couldn't find, so I thought it best to ask before starting something myself: is there a place where Pacifists are keeping track on what quests are:
- Pacifist-safe (i.e. what the quest ask us to do is not considered kills (extinguishing certain fires, for example))
- not Pacifist-safe (i.e. what we feel is harmless is considered a kill (breaking ice tombs, for example))?

Also, would you Pacifists out there be interested in such a list?

((Yes I'm aware many advise against questing as Pacifists, but that's not how I envision the challenge and I'm sure I'm not alone in that ))

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Edit: I'll keep this OP updated as the list grows. The list is sorted by danger level > level/zone.

Thanks Hima, Xayaqc, Tholetrix, Towny, mrmacman65, zador, fiveiron for your contribution!


Impossible to do:
1-100 Darkmoon Faire - It's Hammer Time - Counts as kill.
1-10 Dun Morogh - Entombed in Ice - Breaking the icy tombs counts as kill.
10-20 Bloodmyst Isle - They're Alive! Maybe... - Free from a cocoon counts as kill.
20-25 Hillsbrad Foothills - The whole quest chain "Plants vs Zombies" that starts with Basic Botany and the following daily counts as a kill since Legion prepatch.
30-40 Desolace - Portals of the Legion - You can banish the Portal, but can't grant you credit for the quest without kill spawned Demon.
85-90 Valley of the Four Winds - Pest Problems - they count as kills.
1-120 PvZ counts as kills (added by Xaya)

Dangerous:
1-100 Darkmoon Faire - The Humanoid Cannonball - You have non-zero chance to not even get the wings ('misfired'), and the fall will kill you. Only cat-form saved me at ~10% health.
1-10 Azuremyst Isle - Red Snapper - Very Tasty! - Spawned murloc binds to you. if other player "helps you" and kills it, your kill counter will increase.
1-10 Teldrassil - The Relics of Wakening - The NPC that automatically spawns to guard you can easily increase your kill counter. Moving around the tunnels is tricky. Having said this, it *is* possible to complete this quest without kills -just challenging.
10 + Loch Modan - The entire Series of Explorer's League Documents (1-6). Safe to do, but beware aggro and proximity kills.
10-15 Westfall - Murder Was The Case That They Gave Me - Just like before, some homeless people will aggro you. Make sure there are no other players around.
20-25 Duskwood - A Curse We Cannot Lift - Make sure there are no other players around. You have to weaken him to about 20% health before you can use the syringe. Do not kill him! And do not die! Better do it at 27-29 lvl. VERY dangerous quest, but possible. Then the next questline (useful for pacifist) will be available.
20-25 Ashenvale - Of Their Own Design - Burning Bathran’s corpse does not count as a kill. However the quest itself is very risky, forcing you out of stealth at least twice, in an area heavily populated with hostile mobs.
20-25 Ashenvale - The Lost Chalice - Be careful - there are many satyrs walking in stealth in the area.
20-25 Ashenvale - A Shameful Waste - Be careful - there are many satyrs walking in stealth in the area.
30-35 The Cape of Stranglethorn - Message in a Bottle - Be careful - there are many panthers walking in stealth in the area.
30-40 Desolace - Elune's Gifts - Be careful - there are many satyrs walking in stealth in the area. It's prequest for the next quest chain.
30-40 Desolace - Bone Collector - Big chance (>50%) that a Kodo Apparation (38 lvl) will spawn and attack you. Be ready to run away. Prepare for an escape route.
35-40 Feralas - All 4 quests Forces of Nature: Hippogryphs/Faerie Dragons/Mountain Giants/Treants: they can sometimes spawn a mob. If another player comes along and kills it, your kill count could go up. Either way, the mob has a root ability and can catch someone unsuspecting off guard.
64+ Nagrand - Stopping the spread. While putting the bodies on fire is paci safe, there are many mobs that patrol all around
80+ Jade Forest - Spitfire (added by Xaya)
85+ Jade Forest - Hidden Power and Saving the sutras. Doing the quests is paci safe, but lots of mobs around (added by Xaya)

Safe quests:
1-10 Dun Morogh - It's Raid Night Every Night - Just stand (not far away) and wait.
1-10 Azuremyst Isle - A Cry For Help - Escort quest. It is likely that the npc kills the mobs on its own.
10-20 Bloodmyst Isle - Irradiated Crystal Shards - You don't need to kill anyone. Just buy the quest items on the AH.
10-20 Bloodmyst Isle - Catch and Release - Doesn't count as kill. And you can complete it even without stealth (from the water).
10-20 Darkshore - The Last Refugee - Escort quest. NPC easily kills the elementals 1vs1 (not 2). At the same time you can do Coaxing the Spirits (2/4 spirits).
10-20 Darkshore - Mutual Aid - Wait until 4 npc-bears kill attacing elementals. Stand away from their fight in the camp. Then just use the totem on elem corpse.
20-25 Ashenvale - Astranaar's Burning! - Doesn't count as kill.
20-25 Ashenvale - Closure is Only Natural - Doesn't count as kill.
25-30 Arathi Highlands - Home Sweet Gnome - Enter Gnomeregan and talk to NPC. Counts as Dungeon-quest.
25-30 Arathi Highlands - Goggle Boggle - Escort quest. 38 lvl professor doesn't need to be defended from 26 lvl elementals hehe. Just follow him and stand away from the fight.
25-30 Arathi Highlands - Death From Below - 40 lvl Captain vs 26-27 lvl Nagas. Go up to the ship and wait until the end of fight. Then get your xp.
25-30 Northern Stranglethorn - Spared from Madness - Breaking the cage doesn't count as kill.
30-35 Southern Barrens - Langridge Shot - When you fire your cannon, it doesn't have any target. Doesn't count as kill.
30-35 Southern Barrens - Feeling Thorny - Enter Razorfen Kraul and talk to NPC. Counts as Dungeon-quest.
30-35 The Hinterlands - Faces of Evil - Doesn't count as kill.
30-40 Desolace - Kodo Roundup - Easy quest. Doesn't count as kill.
35-40 Feralas - Forces of Nature: Wisps: The only Forces of Nature quest that does not spawn mobs.
58 + Borean Tundra - Unfit for Death - from DEHTA camp in Borean Tundra (trapping the trappers)
67 + Icecrown - Learning The Reins - Argent Tournament (daily practice jousting)
67 + Icecrown - Up To The Challenge
67 + Icecrown - A Worthy Weapon
67 + Icecrown - A Blade Fit For A Champion
67 + Icecrown - The Aspirant's Challenge (The duels are not kills)
67 + Icecrown - The Valiant's Charge
67 + Icecrown - The Grand Melee (The duels are not kills)
67 + Icecrown - The Valiant's Challenge (The duels are not kills)
67 + Icecrown - A Champion Rises
67 + Icecrown - Among the Champions (The duels are not kills)
83 + Uldum - Thieving Little Pluckers
85-90 - Valley of the Four Winds - Burning the ropes
81+ Valley of the four winds -Got Silk? and Where Silk comes from (added by Xaya)
85-90 - Krasarang Wilds - The Arcanic Oubliette, a quest in Krasarang Wilds to open The Incursion's arcane shield, requires destroying 3 anchors. This is paci-safe, and gives no kills or killing blows.

[hima]

I think such a list will be useful. I can help with making it.
Without regular quests Pacifist Challenge is long and boring.
If you do only dailies, then what's the challenge?
What's the difficulty? It is just a test of your patience.


So,
impossible to do:
 1-110 Darkmoon Faire - It's Hammer Time - Counts as kill.
 1-10 Dun Morogh - Entombed in Ice - Breaking the icy tombs counts as kill.
10-20 Bloodmyst Isle - They're Alive! Maybe... - Free from a cocoon counts as kill.
20-25 Hillsbrad Foothills - The whole quest chain "Plants vs Zombies" that starts with Basic Botany and the following daily counts as a kill since Legion prepatch. I learned about it after I scored 400+ kills at my 97 lvl. Before Legion pre-patch i have done this daily more than 20 times...
30-40 Desolace - Portals of the Legion - You can banish the Portal, but can't grant you credit for the quest without kill spawned Demon.
35-40 Western Plaguelands - Zen'Kiki, the Druid - Doesn't count as kill, but you can't complete it at actual level (may be at 70+). While you're tanking the mobs, that funny druid takes a veeeeery long time to kill plagued animals. And other players can "help" you. It's a Really funny quest, but don't do it.
50-55 Un'Goro Crater - Damsels Were Made to be Saved - Maximillion is kind of the Don Quixote of this game. This guy is an aggro magnet. He thinks that dinosaurs are dragons and attacking them all around. Counts as kill for you.
73-77 Zul'Drak - This Just In: Fire Still Hot! - Counts as kill.
...

dangerous:
1-110 Darkmoon Faire - The Humanoid Cannonball - You have non-zero chance to not even get the wings ('misfired'), and the fall will kill you. Only cat-form saved me at ~10% health.
 1-10 Teldrassil - The Relics of Wakening - The NPC that automatically spawns to guard you can easily increase your kill counter.
 1-10 Azuremyst Isle - Red Snapper - Very Tasty! - Spawned murloc binds to you. if other player "helps you" and kills it, your kill counter will icreace.
10-15 Westfall - Murder Was The Case That They Gave Me - Just like before, some homeless people will aggro you. Make sure there're no other players around.
20-25 Duskwood - A Curse We Cannot Lift - Make sure there're no other players around. You have to weaken him to about 20% health before you can use the syringe. Do not kill him! And do not die! Better do it at 27-29 lvl. VERY dangerous quest, but possible. Then the next questline (useful for pacifist) will be available.
20-25 Ashenvale - The Lost Chalice - Be careful - there are many satyrs walking in stealth in the area.
20-25 Ashenvale - A Shameful Waste - Be careful - there are many satyrs walking in stealth in the area.
30-35 The Cape of Stranglethorn - Message in a Bottle - Be careful - there are many panthers walking in stealth in the area.
30-40 Desolace - Elune's Gifts - Be careful - there are many satyrs walking in stealth in the area. It's prequest for the next quest chain.
30-40 Desolace - Bone Collector - Big chance (>50%) that a Kodo Apparation (38 lvl) will spawn and attack you. Be ready to run away. Prepare for an escape route.
55-60 Silithus - Scouring the Desert - When you take the Silithyst, you will get pvp-flag automatically. Pvp-flag will be on you for 5 min after the quest is completed.
60-63 Zangarmarsh - Balance Must Be Preserved - After you use the seeds in a pump a new Overseer spawns. It takes a few miliseconds and at 65-66 lvl you can escape without entering combat.
62-70 Terokkar Forest - The Dread Relic - After you open the chest 15(!) aggro zombies 60lvl will spawn. However, they didn't see me when I was 68 lvl.
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safe quests:
 1-10 Dun Morogh - It's Raid Night Every Night - Just stand (not far away) and wait.
 1-10 Azuremyst Isle - A Cry For Help - Escort quest. It is likely that the npc kills the mobs on its own.
10-20 Bloodmyst Isle - Irradiated Crystal Shards - You don't need to kill anyone. Just buy the quest items on the AH.
10-20 Bloodmyst Isle - Catch and Release - Doesn't count as kill. And you can complete it even without stealth (from the water).
10-20 Darkshore - The Last Refugee - Escort quest. NPC easily kills the elementals 1vs1 (not 2). At the same time you can do Coaxing the Spirits (2/4 spirits).
10-20 Darkshore - Mutual Aid - Wait until 4 npc-bears kill attacing elementals. Stand away from their fight in the camp. Then just use the totem on elem corpse.
20-25 Ashenvale - Astranaar's Burning! - Doesn't count as kill.
20-25 Ashenvale - Closure is Only Natural - Doesn't count as kill.
25-30 Arathi Highlands - Goggle Boggle - Escort quest. 38 lvl professor doesn't need to be defended from 26 lvl elementals hehe. Just follow him and stand away from the fight.
25-30 Arathi Highlands - Death From Below - 40 lvl Captain vs 26-27 lvl Nagas. Go up to the ship and wait until the end of fight. Then get your xp.
25-30 Northern Stranglethorn - Spared from Madness - Breaking the cage doesn't count as kill.
30-35 Southern Barrens - Langridge Shot - When you fire your cannon, it doesn't have any target. Doesn't count as kill.
30-35 The Hinterlands - Faces of Evil - Doesn't count as kill.
30-40 Desolace - Kodo Roundup - Easy quest. Doesn't count as kill.
35-40 Western Plaguelands - This Means WAR (Wild Arachnid Roundup) - Doesn't count as kill.
35-40 Western Plaguelands - It's About Time! - Doesn't count as kill.
35-40 Dustwallow Marsh - Raptor Captor - You can do it without risk if you take help from "Stinky" Ignatz, after picking up the quest Stinky's Escape. It takes some time just standing there watching him hit the raptor.
45-50 Felwood - Wisps of the Woods - Doesn't count as kill.
45-50 Felwood - Squirrely Clean - Doesn't count as kill.
50-55 Un'Goro Crater - How to Make Meat Fresh Again - Doesn't count as kill.
58-70 Hellfire Peninsula - Laying Waste to the Unwanted - Doesn't count as kill.
62-70 Terokkar Forest - Digging Through Bones - Escort quest. The NPCs will do everything themselves. Just follow them on a fly mount.
68-72 Borean Tundra - Take No Chances - Doesn't count as kill.
70-110 Fishing - Dangerously Delicious (daily) - Safe method is described here wowironmanchallenge.proboards.com/thread/1327/pacifist-terrorfish
73-75 Grizzly Hills - Wolfsbane Root - It is animated like destruction, but it doesn't count as a kill.
73-75 Grizzly Hills - Raining Down Destruction - Doesn't count as kill.
73-77 Zul'Drak - Throwing Down (part of Troll Patrol) - Doesn't count as kill.
77-80 The Storm Peaks - Relief for the Fallen - Healed Defender will fight on your side and he can increase your kill counter. Logoff/Logon the game and Defender will disappear.
77-80 The Storm Peaks - Ancient Relics - Just buy the quest items on the AH.
77-80 Tournament - Learning The Reins (daily) - Doesn't count as kill.
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to be continued

[Xeraphia]

When you're on an escort quest and the NPC kills mobs, doesn't it count as kills for you? I'm thinking of The Relics of Awakening where the Sentinel's kills count as your own, but you mention A Cry for Help and The Last Refugee where the NPC kills off mobs.

Your list is pretty impressive, I only have an extra quest to add so far... Sorry to gear about your 97 that got all those Plants vs Zombies kills

I'll keep the OP updated with the quest list sorted out per danger level. I had the idea to sort the quest by zone > level, but I think your idea is better. I don't think there will be enough quests to justify a spreadsheet...

Edit: OK don't bother with the links... they're not transferring, even through quoting. Unless I'm doing something wrong?

[hima]

Jan 21, 2017 12:23:33 GMT -5 Xeraphia said:

When you're on an escort quest and the NPC kills mobs, doesn't it count as kills for you? I'm thinking of The Relics of Awakening where the Sentinel's kills count as your own, but you mention A Cry for Help and The Last Refugee where the NPC kills off mobs.

Yes it doesn't count as kills.
This is true for any escort quest, when NPC kills mobs himself.
You only need to be not far away from the action and don't join in the fight.
In the other case, Sentinel spawns as your active/aggressive guard (as pet/minion in aggro mode) and her attacks make you involved in the fight, as if it's you attaking.  You are not escorting her, but she is escorting you.

Jan 21, 2017 12:23:33 GMT -5 Xeraphia said:

Your list is pretty impressive, I only have an extra quest to add so far...

The list is under costraction and is still far from being done.
I have completed more than 1000 regular quests as a pacifist.
I will update it while refreshing my memory.

And my English is not so good. I need consultations from my daugter (my Grand Editor )

[Margothon Lord of the Elements]

Grats on your max 110 pacifist, great work

[hima]

Oh, thank you!

[Xeraphia]

Jan 21, 2017 17:25:08 GMT -5 hima said:

Jan 21, 2017 12:23:33 GMT -5 Xeraphia said:

When you're on an escort quest and the NPC kills mobs, doesn't it count as kills for you? I'm thinking of The Relics of Awakening where the Sentinel's kills count as your own, but you mention A Cry for Help and The Last Refugee where the NPC kills off mobs.

Yes it doesn't count as kills.
This is true for any escort quest, when NPC kills mobs himself.
You only need to be not far away from the action and don't join in the fight.
In the other case, Sentinel spawns as your active/aggressive guard (as pet/minion in aggro mode) and her attacks make you involved in the fight, as if it's you attaking.  You are not escorting her, but she is escorting you.

Thanks for the clarification! I didn't know that, it will definitely be helpful

And, OP updated to include level 30-35-40 zones, thank you Hima! ^_^

[Crystalpall]

Hey, are you interested in "seems fishy but is safe" or "seems doable but it's not" kinda things or the obvious quests too, to make a compendium?

[Xeraphia]

I don't think there's a point in listing the obvious quests. It would create too much stuff and drown out the more interesting information.
I think it's more interesting to focus on the ambiguous quests so Pacifists don't miss out on a chance for XP and don't lose their toons over a quest that seemed safe but wasn't. As I read your list I realize I've ignored a couple of quests on my Pacifists because I wasn't sure and had no way to check -that's the kind of help I want this list to provide.

[tholetrix]

I think you can add Forces of Nature: Hippogryphs to the Dangerous category. It is somewhat similar to the Azuremyst Red Snapper quest in that it can sometimes spawn a mob. I don't know for sure but if another player comes along and kills it, your kill count could go up. Either way, the mob has a root ability and can catch someone unsuspecting off guard. 

[Xeraphia]

Jan 27, 2017 10:12:22 GMT -5 tholetrix said:

I think you can add Forces of Nature: Hippogryphs to the Dangerous category. It is somewhat similar to the Azuremyst Red Snapper quest in that it can sometimes spawn a mob. I don't know for sure but if another player comes along and kills it, your kill count could go up. Either way, the mob has a root ability and can catch someone unsuspecting off guard. 

Thanks! I added it and added your name to the credits

OP also updated with quests from Thousand Needles

[Crystalpall]

Calling to move "The Relics of Wakening" from 'Impossible' to 'Dangerous' column





Little feedback on that specific quest: Don't do it. It's risky, very very risky, and just not worth it. It took me over 24 minutes for 1050 experience it provides, and I just did it to prove myself. If you don't have stealth and shadowmeld, don't bother even thinking about it. The cave is very long, the corridors are really tight and one mob takes pretty much whole space and you often have to wait until he moves a little left and turns left so you can slip behind him. The shamans (roughly 1/3rd of the mobs) throw a 12 second damage over time spell and refresh it upon ending. If you get hit by one, you're pretty much screwed, because you'd have to cancel shaman's line of sight when the dot is gonna end and then shadowmeld into stealth. Oh, and the protector won't ever kill anything, it dies before it can kill a mob (unless you attack it too but as a pacifist you shouldn't anyways)


Do it if you want thrill and a quest to prove yourself on

[Xaya]

Jan 27, 2017 10:12:22 GMT -5 tholetrix said:

I think you can add Forces of Nature: Hippogryphs to the Dangerous category. It is somewhat similar to the Azuremyst Red Snapper quest in that it can sometimes spawn a mob. I don't know for sure but if another player comes along and kills it, your kill count could go up. Either way, the mob has a root ability and can catch someone unsuspecting off guard. 

all the 'forces of nature' quests in Feralas can span mobs, except the wisp.

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Xayawar lvl 41 nightelf warrior(alive) Wyrmrest Accord
Xayafrost lvl 66 human mage (dead) Wyrmrest Accord
Xayapaci lvl 35 pacifist gnome rogue (alive) Wyrmrest Accord
Xayahorde lvl 15 bloodelf rogue (alive) Wyrmrest Accord

[Xeraphia]

Jan 27, 2017 19:21:38 GMT -5 Crystalpall said:

Calling to move "The Relics of Wakening" from 'Impossible' to 'Dangerous' column


Little feedback on that specific quest: Don't do it. It's risky, very very risky, and just not worth it. It took me over 24 minutes for 1050 experience it provides, and I just did it to prove myself. If you don't have stealth and shadowmeld, don't bother even thinking about it. The cave is very long, the corridors are really tight and one mob takes pretty much whole space and you often have to wait until he moves a little left and turns left so you can slip behind him. The shamans (roughly 1/3rd of the mobs) throw a 12 second damage over time spell and refresh it upon ending. If you get hit by one, you're pretty much screwed, because you'd have to cancel shaman's line of sight when the dot is gonna end and then shadowmeld into stealth. Oh, and the protector won't ever kill anything, it dies before it can kill a mob (unless you attack it too but as a pacifist you shouldn't anyways)


Do it if you want thrill and a quest to prove yourself on

So I did this quest three times on a Pacifist (always NE Druids): first two times it was really, really easy (Stealth + Shadowmeld, as you mention) and the XP was totally worth it. I was in and out in 10-15mn. Third time, the Sentinel killed a Furlbog and gave me credit -after that, I started skipping it.
My point is, I have totally different experience with this quest than you do Having said this, I think it's reasonable for that quest to be in the Dangerous column.

@xaya: Good point, I'll add them all

[hima]

One little correction:
Only one quest available for Alliance Pacifist in the 40-45 Thousand Needles.
It is Tanaris is Calling.
None quest chains are available because you can't complete the pre-quest The Grimtotem are Coming.

Jan 21, 2017 12:23:33 GMT -5 Xeraphia said:

Edit: OK don't bother with the links... they're not transferring, even through quoting. Unless I'm doing something wrong?

after quoting try click BBCODE

Jan 23, 2017 12:06:34 GMT -5 Crystalpall said:

Hey, are you interested in "seems fishy but is safe" or "seems doable but it's not" kinda things or the obvious quests too, to make a compendium?

I think there are no more obvious quests since choke a fire counts as kill...

Jan 27, 2017 19:21:38 GMT -5 Crystalpall said:

Little feedback on that specific quest: Don't do it. It's risky, very very risky, and just not worth it.

I have completed this quest as NE-rogue and i totally agree.