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Post by ziras on Nov 28, 2015 22:36:20 GMT -5
I would love to do a Worgen Druid character. Or any worgen. I really like them. And I love the pacifist challenge. Going to try it again after my first poor character died (poor Windgnome...)
But... you can't get out of the starting area without killing.
Is there any way we can set up Worgens to have no more than (X) kills in pacifist mode?
I'd be happy to do some runs to see the minimum kills needed. Heck, I'll do it for every class to get a baseline kill min required for each worgen class to get through the starting zone and into the game world proper.
Is this possible?
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Post by fiveiron on Nov 28, 2015 23:50:39 GMT -5
Possible, IDK. That'd be up to Stone technically and the community morally. Ask any of the paci challengers who've accidentally killed just ONE thing and then chosen to abandon their extensive effort, and I think you'd get an, "Umm, no."
As it is, all expansion races since Cata: Worgen, Goblins, & Pandaren, are excluded from pacifist for that reason. If we could play a Pandaren pacifist, the rest exp bonus would be a huge boon that directly affects progress, not survivability. I feel that it sure is a great boon for BT challengers, although these BT races just have to accept about 70 to 75 quests removed from their total possible quests (about 1/4 of 300), potentially limiting their options in the long run.
That said, I am nearly certain that you could PLAY one in the manner which you describe. However if you even could add the character to the list, that is if it isn't list-blocked by the initial flag, then it'd remain red flagged with the number of kills you've made. If you can live with that, then it's your play style and your challenge to play out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 0:27:23 GMT -5
I don't think it's possible... I had a level 8 Worgen I tried to exit the zone with and just had invisible walls all the way around. :/
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Post by Dranina on Dec 1, 2015 12:15:23 GMT -5
You mean to play "normal" IronMan for the first 8-10 levels - however long leaving the Worgen starting zone migth take, and then undergo a "conversion" so to say, and live the rest of your days as a total pacifist? This is an individual type of challenge, and I would personally find this a bit (if not much) cheating, as the first levels as a pacifist are so very hard in my opinion. But then again, if yo really feels like doing it, couldn't you take a screendump from stats upon leaving the Worgen sektor, and then later, you could prove your aherence to pacifist principles.
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Post by Xaya on Dec 1, 2015 16:41:32 GMT -5
that request got me thinking...
I think a few quests are allowed for the bloodthirsty to enable them to get out of the starting area or open Pandaria and Draenor, why not allow some kills/quests for the pacifist?
Xayaforsi lvl 100 pandaren hunter (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayalock lvl 62 worgen warlock (alive) Wyrmrest Accord
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Post by ziras on Dec 2, 2015 1:20:38 GMT -5
There are videos on how to escape as a level 1 worgen. But... it involves at least 1 death.
Lemme do a run as a druid to see the minimum kills I need to get out, and a run to see the minimum deaths without kills it takes to get out.
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Post by brittleiron on Dec 7, 2015 8:53:20 GMT -5
I really think pacifists should be allowed a VERY small number of kills per level just for those times you accidentally step on a critter or do a quest you didn't realize counted as a "kill".
I realize this could be abused but seems silly to disqualify someone who gets to lvl 50 but had something like a Frost Nova used defensively nuke a critter in the process giving them one kill.
Folks get a pass on an accidental item equip, but not on stomping a rabbit.
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Post by ziras on Dec 9, 2015 20:57:15 GMT -5
After many attempts I've been able to exit Gilneas with 0 kills and 2 "character stuck" deaths, and with 0 kills and 1 "character stuck" death plus an assist from a Goblin Glider kit. In each case I can exit before level 3.
I'm going to try to get a group "summon" out of the area next.
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Post by ziras on Dec 9, 2015 21:00:34 GMT -5
Also Blizz has fixed it that if you exit from Gilneas early, the next time you log out and then in, you will have all the worgen racials applied to the character. Apparently so many worgens jailbreak from the area they just apply the racials if you didn't already have them on a re-login.
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Post by zenmonk on Dec 16, 2015 23:40:04 GMT -5
Iron is viable from Gilneas, Pacifist isn't unless we want to make changes to the rules for worgens. (Ziras here). Problematic to group to summon from Gilneas. Can't get out without dying. Can't get out without killing. Manged to start an Iron from Gilneas, at level 24 now. But unless we want to modify the rules for pacifists from different starting zones it ain't gonna happen. It was worth trying though.
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Post by mirialdo on May 1, 2016 1:19:40 GMT -5
Would it be acceptable to create a nelf pacifist and race change it into a worgen later? Just curious. (chose nelf because i'd love to try leveling a worgen druid pacifist if possible)
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Post by at on May 1, 2016 3:09:45 GMT -5
I'd say a race (or faction) change is against the spirit of the challenge, and so would a class change. You start a toon, and you get that toon as defined to 100. You don't like your choice? delete the toon and start over It's not the rested bonus issue that makes me oppose pacifist Pandas, but the fact that you cannot get out of Pandaland without kills. I oppose pacifist Goblins and Worgen for the self same reason. This is discussed in the thread: wowironmanchallenge.proboards.com/thread/1015/pacifist-clarificationI believe this post covers it best: wowironmanchallenge.proboards.com/post/11661/
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Post by Dranina on May 2, 2016 2:54:13 GMT -5
No, it does not cover what I say. I clearly state that I don't give a fig about bonuses ect. You can't make a paci pande because you cannot play paci-panda from level 1-whenever you leave The Wandering Isle. I'm not sure, I should have ansvered at all. I'm in an angry mood and all. Sorry if I offended anybody.
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Post by doggyears on May 12, 2016 17:48:13 GMT -5
Iron is viable from Gilneas, Pacifist isn't unless we want to make changes to the rules for worgens. (Ziras here). Problematic to group to summon from Gilneas. Can't get out without dying. Can't get out without killing. Manged to start an Iron from Gilneas, at level 24 now. But unless we want to modify the rules for pacifists from different starting zones it ain't gonna happen. It was worth trying though. You can be summoned out with the summon from recruit a friend. Although this would require getting help from another character, which might run afoul of the spirit of the whole challenge depending on how you look at it (or is that what you meant by problematic? XD). I'd like to know what everyone thinks, because I'd love to roll a Worgen pacifist too, but would hate to step on anyone's toes in the process.
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Post by Xaya on May 12, 2016 22:05:25 GMT -5
grouping up is not allowed on any irons, so summons are not allowed either. Teleporting thru recruit-a-friend is out of bounds too
Xayaforsi lvl 100 pandaren hunter (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayathedruid lvl 35 night elf druid (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayapaci lvl 29 pacifist rogue gnome (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayablood lvl 62 bloodthirsty draenai hunter (alive) Wyrmrest Accord Xayahorde lvl 12 bloodelf rogue (alive) Wyrmrest Accord
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